I don't remember if Gogeta was even used in DBZ or it was just DBGT, but I know Vegito was used in the Buu Saga and was insanely powerful in comparison. In 2 or 3 hits, he dominated Frieza and KO'ED him in an instant. Knowing Beerus he wouldn't just stand by when he senses someone stronger than him. Not with collision. Never has Whis nor anyone else stated that Broly nor Gogeta was more powerful. And Beerus has never shown his full strength, in the Super anime+manga, it's never stated that which percentage of power Beerus used.If Broly was such a threat to Beerus' position as a God, then why didn't he intervene, nor ever did Whis as well.Whis was merely playing aroud with Broly. there was no mention of a ''mortal'' part, universe only. Made Goku scared just by showing 'a hint' of his true power. They all show that something is possible. SSJB Gogeta roflstomped a Beerus level fighter. I dare you to find me a quote from Toriyama and Toyotaro, or anything from a legitimate source. Since Champa is weaker than Beerus,I put him 30% SSJ4 Gogeta. As we all know Whis is a teacher/mentor of a God of Destruction, so he knows pretty much every nooks and cranny regarding the powers of a God of Destruction. If Broly was on Beerus'level, you would think the least he can do is gravely injure Frieza? And? When he is attacked by Liqueur's Tail Energy Cannon Barrage, Belmod takes no damage from the assault. Whis literally stated that Jiren when supressed was "in the domains of a God of Destruction or surpassing it" and even Belmod himself in the manga has admitted that Jiren is more powerful than him, combat wise. Only way you can argue Gogeta at universal is if you scale off Buuhan based on a filler scene, meanwhile Beerus would have destroyed the Macrocasm(mortal universe and otherworld) which is more impressive than what Gogeta has done by feats. When Jiren was heavily supressed, Whis states that 'His power enters the domain of the God of Destruction, or even surpassed it'. User Info: SwadeDBFan2. While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. He acknowledged Jiren was far from full power, so it's more likely he was referring to what he thought his full power was. There's no proof to even suggest that Broly was on Beerus' level, not even close. filler is canon to GT so i'm not sure why it's brought up. Omega was able to regenerate after a Big Bang Kamehameha from a massively stronger SSJ4 Gogeta so at equal power levels Omega should be able to regenerate from what Beerus has to throw at him. Doesn't leave too much room for imagination xD. Furthermore, Full power SSJ Broly couldn’t even land a single finger on Gogeta once he used SSB. @deathwingterminatort1000: Please tell me how SSJ4 Gogeta does not stand up to SSB Goku, @deathwingterminatort1000: yea ik lol I was just fucking around with that post lmao. Now if by multiplying 10 by 30 mill = 10% then multiplying 100 = 100%. He's also had the training of Whis, and Angel and the most powerful being in Universe 6 (I think it's 6, maybe 7). ready to take you anytime. I don’t think it’d be easy, but this one would go to Broly and Jiren. Whether stronger or not Broly is hovering around that Area and Gogeta stomped him. A common debate. Universe 7 wasn’t a concept until DBS so it’s universal designation isn’t relevant. what is this a joke? If Jiren beats the team, then Beerus gets erased. I … He only said "probably" and "might" when he was comparing it Beerus. anyways. I hope you are not trolling because in the English dub Goku said might be stronger than our Beerus and also probably and might are literally same thing. He was just chilling and keeping an eye on everyone's Ki.He only said "Looks like they have managed it". Transformations do not matter, feats do not matter. SSJ4 Gogeta isn't even on a level with SSB Goku, and normal ki can't damage Beerus, you need God Ki. Jiren would easily thrash Broly when he's heavily surpressed. Frieza was literally there for 1 hour fighting Broly and not only was he able to have a few bruises and injury, but he was CONSCIOUS and he WAS IN HIS GOLDEN FORM! @karkus: I asked you to provide proof first.If you can provide evidence to say that Broly is on Beerus' level then I will find it secondly... Marketing and announcement hypes don't count... @chasekilleen: I never claimed Broly was on Beerus's level. Yes. He was comparing Jiren to Beerus'power as a God of Destruction at that time when he said that, naturally because he is Beerus' teacher and mentor, so he knows his strengths and weaknesses. @mainjp: When Broly attacked Frieza in his Golden form for an hour, not only Frieza didn't sustain any life threatening injuries, but Frieza was still in his Golden form.Toppo a God of Destruction in training, theorectically the weakest God of Destruction, absolutely thrashed Frieza without trying whatsoever and Jiren knocked Frieza out cold in one shot.Gogeta smashing dimensions is nothing new since Super Buu nearly succeded in doing that whilst Gohan was absorbed.That's not impressive at all... Jiren's 'hint of his true power' made Goku revert back to his base form, because he realized how powerful he truly was and Vegeta said that Jiren's Ki was the 'heaviest ki I have ever felt'. This is about as much a universe buster as carbon emissions are a life wiper...in fact, that very attack, after only having its polarity reversed to positive, normal ki...didn't destroy anything at all. Keep in mind this is Vegeta post Battle of Gods, Golden Frieza, Universe 6 vs 7, Black Goku/Future Trunks arc. You were the one who claimed Beerus >>> Broly, but haven't provided any evidence. In other words, anyone with twice the energy (power) of Beerus would be 2-C. @Hizack123 Goku outright states that Broly is 'probably' stronger than Beerus. Beerus utterly stomps. That was the ever-expanding, strength gaining shockwaves, not the impact. there is no scaling that puts him above that. Who wins? @deathwingterminatort1000: Gogeta only lasts 15 minutes max in Ssj4 so he doesn't even have the standard 30 minutes. Beerus power level at 100% is around 3 billion. clearly something is wrong with that hence why scaling is as important as feats. And if they did I dare you to quote me from the movie/Toriyama or Toyotaro/any legitimate proof from a credible source to say that Broly and Gogeta was on Beerus' level. Intent: To Kill, Gogeta is NOT playing around. Gogeta was powerful, but more powerful than Beerus is bogus, since A). And go to 3:06. As you can see, there is no reasonable arguement that can put Gogeta anywhere near the kind of power even an SSB possesses, much less Beerus. Hit's dimensions were the size of a small building. This is a big difference between "You might be stronger" than "On-par or entered the domains and POTENTIALLY even surpassing it" Moreover Jiren's tiny little amount of Ki released made Beerus sweat like a piss fountain and when he released a "hint of his true power" made Goku revert back to his base form, because he has realised the gap between them. Already did. THE POWER GOGETA IS GIVING OFF IS BEYOND REAL!! Goku base and Beerus had the potential to destroy the entire universe just by colliding their fists and God form the impact of their fists destroyed solar systems. I don't see Beerus stomping Broly like Gogeta did. His power remained mostly undefined throughout Super other than being much stronger than SSB. He didn't have to be, he and Whis were right there and free to stop him if need be. All you doing is giving implications and marketing hype from the movie's trailers and announcements. We have not seen the true power of Beerus yet.This debate might never be answered, since there's technically no right or wrong answers. beerus via feats locks at universal. His power will be retconned until he's more powerful than Zeno, Seriously Goku should wipe the floor with him by realistic scaling even without UI, OT: I think it's been established that Super>GT in terms of power so Beerus should win. Because Beerus never worried about Broly. Tbh we could get clear confirmation on who wins if toei can tell us who's stronger between Vegito and beerus. Yeah, they show something is possible, but the words connote varying degrees of likelihood. @karkus: Go to 3:20...He literally says that his power is on a God of Destruction or surpassed it. Then Gogeta f*#ed around on Broly, so that puts Gogeta around Beerus level aswell, maybe above it, but its safest to say that he's 'around' that level. R1: Beerus stomps. SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball - General This is ... a Spirit Bomb that was stated later in the Tournament to rival SS2 Kefla in raw power, ... since we don't know what level of UI Beerus has access to. There's nothing outright saying that he's on Beerus'level, again that's not Beerus' level. In August of last year, it was said that Broly was stronger than Beerus. No. SSJ Broly was also the one who fought Golden Frieza, not LSSJ Broly, who was compared to Beerus. Read Gogeta vs Beerus from the story Dragon Ball Xeno: Part one by Silenttoast132 with 344 reads. @karkus: Might and Probably are the same? Goku said that Beerus while sleeping is using his unretstrained power or that in the [Majin Buu arc] he said that he could take out Kid Buu, but his body gave up on him and during the entire fight Kid Buu and Goku SSJ3 was on par with each other. Going by feats for one character while scaling for the other is stupid, especially when Beerus(the character with feats) would scale massively above Buuhan as well. ... Was it even stated Brolys power continuously raises? your argument is headcanon, the ''multiverse'' wasn't a thing, but the fact that the otherworld is a part of the universe was emphasised. While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. It's pretty much been implied both in the manga and anime that Belmod is more powerful than Beerus. The Super never stated how much power Beerus even used when fighting Goku God form.The movie said close to 70%, but clearly he was bluffing, but that statement is full of crap anyway, since when Super anime came out, it retconned that entire statement.The only mortal beings capable of beating Beerus are Goku Mastered UI and Jiren and also his limit breaker form. Unlikely and probably both show something is possible, but the latter connotes that it's more likely than the former. Although, there were statements outside the show saying Broly was stronger than a God of Destruction. you claim it's dumb despite seeing inferior feats...so, feats > scaling. cat dies. He only said "Looks like they have managed it". When the match comes to an end, it is revealed that Belmod faked being knocked down and had taken no damage over the course of the match. In Tournament of Power, Whis personally said that: "His powers has reached the domains of a God of Destruction or potentially has even surpassed it" when Jiren only released a bit of his Ki or that he was supressed heavily. Provide the evidence Beerus stomps Broly. this scaling are based off the official statements. @karkus: What? Goku stated that Broly might even surpass Beerus. B). Beerus via superior inferior feats and even better worst scaling. and it better not be ''my opinion''. Clearly SSJ4 Gogeta is well worth Beerus' acknowledgement. Furthermore, many, many times has Goku been mistaken about his own and other people's power, he either always over/under estimates it. Goku vs BeerusThanks For WatchingIn this video, I will be diving in on my personal very own personal power levels for DBZ, DBS, DBGT, DBH. Heavily suppressed Jiren being stronger than Beerus doesn't fit with other statements such as that MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus. Not the same as straight up busting a universe. Even base super goku solostomps GT. It evidently concludes that they don't think of Broly as a threat (universally) in anyway. IF Beerus and Gogeta ever fights Beerus will still win since he's never brought out his true power in a match. Gogeta and UI Goku both bodied someone, one stated to be > beerus, the other => beerus. Still gogeta via scaling. If we go by feats over scaling then we end up with stuff like SSG Ritual Goku > Jiren/broly. Frieza was still in his transformation and he was not even fatally wounded. Whis never mentions that Broly was in a God of Destruction's domain like Jiren has when he was comparing to Beerus as a God of Destruction. We see that even Beerus seems taken aback by the power of SSJB Kaiokenx10 Goku, so surely Vegito is over his power at least by some margin. In the movie Beerus knew that Goku and Vegeta could handle it and if Broly really did potentially endanger Beerus' position as a God of Destruction then why didn't Whis or Beerus himself intervene? SSJ4 Gogeta vs. Beerus. SSJ Broly isn't even stronger than SSJ Gogeta, who isn't that much stronger than 50x SSB Goku (Base Gogeta being around SSB Goku's level) which is nothing to ToP Omen Goku and Jiren. In the movie, just the standard Super Saiyan power-up was enough for him to beat the crap out of Frieza for about an hour and it took the combined might of both Vegeta and Goku (literally) to finally take the big beast down. Gogeta would probably win. Blue is an absolute mismatch tho... @chasekilleen: It was said by the director Frieza had shown growth from the ToP to Broly movie. That wasn't base Goku. "How can a mortal release this much Ki"? I would put SSJ4 Gogeta at 100%, 10% Omniking!So,he just goes full power and thrashes SSJ4 Gogeta. Because Super Saiyen God or ssg goku was 70% of beerus. That means no Bluff Kamehamehas from SSJ4 Gogeta nor a portion of own's power used by Beerus (AKA Full power used). I have stated that Goku was only comparing it to Beerus when he was fighting with him at the start of the Super series when attained his God form. Buu used Vice Shout to collapse dimensional walls and pass through them, Gogeta and Broly were shattering entire dimensions. Probably > Might. @karkus: People are using Goku's statement where he said "You might/probably stronger than our Beerus." It only said "Mightiest vs. Mightiest" and "Strongest enemy they ever faced.". Thanks, I needed a light- Sanji. Jiren heavily surpressed scared Beerus, to the point that he was sweating and was nearly in despair. Ssj-ssj2 gogeta would be a good fight for beerus. I didn't even watch all of Super yet and Beerus seems more impressive to me. Thx for watching Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_.attila._145/ still nothing. How many times do we have to keep debunking this? Gogeta should win. That says Gogeta or Broly is on Beerus'level. It meant the destruction of his universe if his team loses. There wasn't any of the sort saying that Broly was stronger than Beerus. In Super, it's never stated which percentage Beerus actually used so it's difficult to judge. Bloodmatch. You did, and still haven't provided any evidence. ... least equal to Gogeta if not stronger since Beerus wasn't even that interested even when he sensed both Broly's and Gogeta's power. SS4 doesn't compare to SSB and above because it simply never got the feats. Makes sense. @phantasial: Stop it, go back to wanking Naruto. Super never stated how many %% Beerus was using, so he could he using 20% - 30% as an incredibly rough estimate. Personally,I think SSJ4 Gogeta would be stronger than Beerus and Whis.This is how I think the fights would go:It would take Beerus a while to go 100% because he hasn't went that in a long time so,SSJ4 Gogeta would probably toy with Beerus until he goes 100%.Once Beerus does reach his max power,I think SSJ4 Gogeta would still play around with him.I think Beerus is about 40% SSJ4 Gogeta.So,SSJ4 Gogeta goes 75%,toys around with Beerus,then knocks him out.Now,Whis. Gogeta is the Metamoran Fusion of Goku and Vegeta, formed to defeat Broly. It's just a gag episode, Champa and Beerus were never serious. All I want is crystal clear answers from a credible source. @tony501: Belmod never got injured and in the anime he beat Beerus in arm wrestling and in both anime and manga Belmod is implied to be stronger than Beerus. Goku's power scaling was never 100% correct. Plus, Gogeta only lasts for 30 minutes. They never said MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus, https://twitter.com/KenXyro/status/1026341411283763202. Not to mention he wasn’t busting the universe, he was merely ripping through the barriers to parallel dimensions until the universe collapsed. You don't know anything about the English language. @phantasial: Dumb comparison considering Broly and Jiren both trashed stronger versions of SSG Goku, and while yes scaling is more important in cases like that DBS and GT don’t scale to each other which is why feats are more important. That just evidently means that he was comparing it to Beerus, when he said that Jiren is on par with a God of Destruction. The fight between SSJ3 Goku and Beerus was one-sided, but Goku could still track Beerus's movements for the most part. Tier: Low 2-C | At least Low 2-C. Name: Gogeta Origin: Dragon Ball. so threats are feats now? Gogeta effortlessly stomped a Beerus level enemy, he annihilates here since Beerus doesn’t get ridiculously stronger through the course of a fight like Broly does. He has Whis to protect him, and is a good match for Broly himself. But he has better skill, can use hakai and UIO. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Judging by what we see in the movie Gogeta Blue hasn't shown anything that's comparable to Jiren in Tournament of Power. Prove me wrong that Gogeta Blue is not stronger than Beerus.Because Beerus never worried about Broly. He was just chilling and keeping an eye on everyone's Ki. I'd be sweating too. The same can't be said while fighting Broly. then again gogeta can just kill the supreme kai and easily neg, Beerus grabs Gogeta by hair and says hakai. Gogeta is the Metamoran Fusion of Goku and Vegeta, formed to defeat Broly. IF Beerus and Gogeta ever fights Beerus will still win since he's never brought out his true power in a match. Stomp. God Ki is needed in this fight, and even if SSJ4 Gogeta can damage hum with punches and kicks, it still most likely will be weaker than Beerus. Broly on the other hand neither made Beerus bat an eye, nor did he make Goku and Vegeta break their own limits and also Goku and Vegeta never used their Kaioken and Evolution (respectively) So we can definitely say that didn't try their absolute hardest. Jiren shook the entire world of void just releasing a tiny bit of his Ki. Gogeta 100x BBK > Gogeta SS4 (dozens of times stronger than an SS4) > SS4 (>= SS vegito) > SS vegito > Buuhan (near-universal). I don't recall Jiren bursting his way out of a dimension via force or anything like that. It's more likely he compared it to Beerus when he fought Champa in Episode 69 of DBS, since that was the first time he saw a serious Beerus fight. I'm not here to let you blow smoke up my butt and tell me otherwise.Provide me with evidence or don't claim otherwise especially if you have nothing to backup your claim...I am still waiting for proof that Broly is on Beerus' level... @karkus: Try again...You don't know anything about the English language. @phantasial: Threatning to bust the universe multiple times casually>>>>deflecting a ball that would gradually errode the universe. Not to mention he wasn’t busting the universe, he was merely ripping through the barriers to parallel dimensions until the universe collapsed. @mainjp: There's no proof whatsoever to indicate Gogeta stronger than Beerus. Beerus power level at 1 percent is 30 million. SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball ... no one on this list is on his level, meaning if Gogeta doesn't take down Broly straight away, Broly will simply adapt and get too strong. Super Saiyan God increases the power by x700. That literally makes no sense whatsoever. Gogeta vs Beerus Power Levels - Dragon Ball Super - YouTube Just think back to Trunks cleaving Fused Zamasu in half. He was comparing it to his fight with Beerus during his first time fighting Beerus in his God form. I can say for 100% certainty though that Gogeta Blue >Full Power Jiren > Omen Goku 3rd time since Gogeta bodied a person with identical statements to Omen Goku at least. So Arale is stronger than Vegeta and Goku is she? Yes, you stated that, but it's unsure if it's true. Provide me with evidence or don't claim otherwise. @thelostshinobi: Repeat thread, but welcome anyway. He has seen Beerus going all out in the manga (GoDs battle royale) and in the anime (Beerus vs Champa). Articles from a legitimate source? I can see what you were going for, beerus and goku weren't busting the universe either, they were causing magical waves that didn't bust the universe either. But Beerus isnt even sweating Vegeta, which causes him to use the Final Flash on Beerus in which he uses his left arm to flick the attack like nothing. MUI Goku surpasses Beerus and Jiren was able to swap hands with MUI Goku. The real debate should be SSJB vegito vs Beerus. R2: Depends on whether Gogeta Blue held back against Broly or not. During the Super's [Revival of F arc.] They aren't. Whilst Jiren was heavily supressed. so yeah, dozens of times uiversal is High multi universal. Yeah, but we can get an idea that he used a good amount when he fought Champa in the baseball episode. Manga Beerus knows Ultra Instinct (Omen), and judging how full powered Broly couldn't even touch a casual Whis. 30,000,000 x 100 = 3 billion. Whis literally stated that Jiren when supressed was. Please OP, this is so one sided. I never said he did. This means ssg goku was around 2,100,000,000. Find me proof, all you doing is delaying the inevitable. Please OP, this is so one sided. Might means maybe, while probably means most likely. spamming is not gonna change that. So yeah he might legit be near Angle tier. Utter. @karkus: I never said Beerus stomps Broly. Goku said Broly was probably stronger than Beerus, and while he may not have seen his full power, he probably saw a decent amount in the baseball episode. I just wanna rub it in the faces of people in here who can't tell a narrative device when they see one. In my honest opinion it's Beerus. Does that make a lick of sense scaling wise? Not the same as straight up busting a universe. -The only thing they know about each other is that Beerus is a god of destruction, and that SSJ4 Gogeta is a fusion of 2 saiyans ; And that each might be stronger than anything they've faced before. where his Universe is in danger of being erased where he and Whis can't intervene. amrite? ?They never said MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus... Beerus and Whis themselves even acknoledged that Goku in MUI has already surpassed Beerus.When did they say "might"?Give me the direct quote... @karkus: I'm talking about how the dubbed said it. That's an amazing power! In the anime Whis implied and in the manga Belmod was the only God of Destruction to dominate several other Gods of destruction. SSJ4 Gogeta, or Vegito if he existed, don't stand a chance. Beerus would take this mid to high dif. And Jiren is the only being next to Goku Ultra Instinct that's shown to be able to can fight on par with Beerus' level. Beerus in the manga pretty much bested the entire other Gods of Destruction and also without trying whatsoever one hit KO'ED Vegeta in his Mastered Super Saiyan Blue form, a form that's on par with Vegito Blue and he took Vegeta out in one shot, that's when he was serious, to teach Vegeta a lesson to not be cocky. I never claimed Broly was stronger than Beerus. SS4 gogeta (dozens of times stronger)> SS4 goku (probably stronger) >= SS vegito > Buuhan (universal). @karkus: Why are you comparing feats to a gag episode? I could point to some scaling, but why should I bother. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Again, you literally have no proof whatsoever. 2 hours ago. And Beerus scales of off jiren and goku who shook infinite world of void, so yes he scales higher. He literally says that his power is on a God of Destruction or surpassed it. NEVER has Whis stated that Broly's power was near a God of Destruction's domain, not even remotely close... Beerus has never ever stated how many % he has used during the fight between Goku during his God form. So,Gogeta goes 100% and again,wins with even more scratches.Finally, the Omniking.I say the Omniking is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta. I can't wait for the day we see a serious Beerus. Vegito should be way stronger but with how fucked super power scaling is you never know. There's nothing to shake in a void. I personally like Gogeta more, so for me, he wins. And questioned "How a mortal can release this much Ki?". beerus is only Universal via feats. His single best attack that took years upon years of stored energy, was only going to destroy the universe by polluting it with negative ki and rotting it over time. what's an Infinite of nothing? Beerus and Whis themselves even acknoledged that Goku in MUI has already surpassed Beerus. So yeah, good list! @chasekilleen: Vegito in the Black Arc was said to rival Beerus by Shin in the manga, I feel like Post ToP he surpassed him given the fact it was said Gogeta=Vegito in one of the guid book I saw once for the movie, there is also the fact Jiren is confirmed by the angels to be high GoD Tier And stronger than Belmod who I believe is in the Top 5 strongest GoDs with Beerus and quitela at the Top with Jiren in their level more or less(Beerus can’t be that much stronger than Belmod) And Broly is evry bit as strong as Jiren or maybe more in raw power given Freiza’s statement and Goku’s as well, he also outmatched SSj Gogeta who is already in the GoDs range of power given the fact his base form is stronger than Blue Goku/Vegeta by the lock on piccolo when they fuse, Now Broly does lack the skills and experience Beerus has but Gogeta power is so great he can overcome it with nearly equal skills anyway given the fact he has Goku and Vegeta but I still favor Beerus due to UI, Hakai can be a factor but I think Gogeta will overpower it like Vegeta did to Toppo, UI is also a factor but unless he has its mastered form Beerus won’t beat him tho I feel like he has something under his sleeve given how unthreatened he was from Broly/Jiren when he encounters them tho MUI Goku did made him give his respect but there was no fear as tho Goku become his equal and not his superior, in the end Gogeta has to much power to lose his skills are enough to compete with any GoDs and just like Jiren didn’t need UI to match Goku so doesn’t Gogeta need to beat Beerus who’s only chance is if in fact he has mastered UI and keeps everyone in the dark for sports as he usually does when he fights given how strong he is. 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